September 19th, 2013 at 7:11:43 PM
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A method for betting roulette

If it is true that Red is as likely to win the next spin as Black,

or vice - versa ,then it is possible to derive an Edge using Maths.

We use my 9 column Block to determine when to bet and we only bet level stakes .

Experienced roulette players will already know that the second Column has more Blacks than Reds and the third column has more Reds than Blacks so we only bet when the third "spin " of the Block indicates the 2 or 3 Column.

For best value we only bet when the Block indicates that we should bet the second Dozen .

BLOCK

1 1 1 2 2 2 3 3 3

1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3

2 3 1 3 1 2 1 2 3

2 3 1 1 2 3 3 1 2

for this idea we only use the first three lines downwards so

AMENDED BLOCK

1 1 1 2 2 2 3 3 3

1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3

2 3 1 3 1 2 1 2 3

An illustration.

DOZENS.

Should the first two numbers be 2 and 9

2 is in the first dozen ( 1 )and 9 is in the first dozen ( 1 )

Looking at the block we can see that the indicated dozen to bet is the one that follows 1 and 1 ( the first column of the block )and that is 2 so the 2nd Dozen is the indicated dozen .

COLUMNS.

2 in in the 2nd column ( 2 ) and 9 is in the 3rd column ( 3 )

Looking at the block we can see that the indicated column to bet is the one that follows 2 and 3 ( the sixth column of the block )and that is 2 so the 2nd Column is the indicated column.

BUT

WE DON'T BET THEM AS A DOZEN OR A COLUMN BUT AS THE INDIVIDUAL NUMBERS WITHIN THEM AND ONLY THOSE NUMBERS WHICH ARE IN THE MINORITY RED OR BLACK.

In this case we bet only the Red numbers within the second dozen and the secon d column and these are ;

5 -32 -14 -16-18 -19 -21 - and 23 - Eight in all - a 7/2 shot.

Those in the 2nd dozen have a better value ( 7/2 )than those in the 1st or 3rd dozen with odds of 3 /1 but the choice is yours .

When I used to bet this- as 2nd dozen bets - I was in overall

profit but it was a roller-coaster with both wins and losses of over 100 and 200 and in one session I won over 400 but unfortunately only once - but it was a nice feeling at the time. And that was at level stakes .

As always the advice is to test first with funny money.It may be difficult to understand at first but if you persevere I think you will find it rewarding . But it does require patience .

The Maths ?

The dozen and column combined give an advantage of 20 / 37 but it depends on whether or not a red or black are equally likely to occur.And the Maths geeks keep telling us that that is true - IN THE LONG RUN ! So you will win in the long run !

If it is true that Red is as likely to win the next spin as Black,

or vice - versa ,then it is possible to derive an Edge using Maths.

We use my 9 column Block to determine when to bet and we only bet level stakes .

Experienced roulette players will already know that the second Column has more Blacks than Reds and the third column has more Reds than Blacks so we only bet when the third "spin " of the Block indicates the 2 or 3 Column.

For best value we only bet when the Block indicates that we should bet the second Dozen .

BLOCK

1 1 1 2 2 2 3 3 3

1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3

2 3 1 3 1 2 1 2 3

2 3 1 1 2 3 3 1 2

for this idea we only use the first three lines downwards so

AMENDED BLOCK

1 1 1 2 2 2 3 3 3

1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3

2 3 1 3 1 2 1 2 3

An illustration.

DOZENS.

Should the first two numbers be 2 and 9

2 is in the first dozen ( 1 )and 9 is in the first dozen ( 1 )

Looking at the block we can see that the indicated dozen to bet is the one that follows 1 and 1 ( the first column of the block )and that is 2 so the 2nd Dozen is the indicated dozen .

COLUMNS.

2 in in the 2nd column ( 2 ) and 9 is in the 3rd column ( 3 )

Looking at the block we can see that the indicated column to bet is the one that follows 2 and 3 ( the sixth column of the block )and that is 2 so the 2nd Column is the indicated column.

BUT

WE DON'T BET THEM AS A DOZEN OR A COLUMN BUT AS THE INDIVIDUAL NUMBERS WITHIN THEM AND ONLY THOSE NUMBERS WHICH ARE IN THE MINORITY RED OR BLACK.

In this case we bet only the Red numbers within the second dozen and the secon d column and these are ;

5 -32 -14 -16-18 -19 -21 - and 23 - Eight in all - a 7/2 shot.

Those in the 2nd dozen have a better value ( 7/2 )than those in the 1st or 3rd dozen with odds of 3 /1 but the choice is yours .

When I used to bet this- as 2nd dozen bets - I was in overall

profit but it was a roller-coaster with both wins and losses of over 100 and 200 and in one session I won over 400 but unfortunately only once - but it was a nice feeling at the time. And that was at level stakes .

As always the advice is to test first with funny money.It may be difficult to understand at first but if you persevere I think you will find it rewarding . But it does require patience .

The Maths ?

The dozen and column combined give an advantage of 20 / 37 but it depends on whether or not a red or black are equally likely to occur.And the Maths geeks keep telling us that that is true - IN THE LONG RUN ! So you will win in the long run !

September 19th, 2013 at 7:22:24 PM
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Mathblock is an appropriate screen name as Braindead is already taken.

Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet

September 19th, 2013 at 7:26:36 PM
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Quote:BuzzardMathblock is an appropriate screen name as Braindead is already taken.

LOL, I don't think "Please be nice" means what you think it does.

"Scientists tell us that the fastest animal on earth, with a top speed of 120 feet per second, is a cow that has been dropped out of a helicopter."

September 19th, 2013 at 7:42:51 PM
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Gee I was being nice, or so I thought.

Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet

September 19th, 2013 at 7:48:18 PM
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But the guy that designed this sytem said that he had 45 years of experience playing?

What do you think about his computations?

What do you think about his computations?

September 19th, 2013 at 7:48:20 PM
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Quote:mathblock

Experienced roulette players will already know that the second Column has more Blacks than Reds and the third column has more Reds than Blacks so we only bet

This is far as I needed to read. Experienced roulette

players also know this is completely unexploitable.

You're welcome to try, players have been trying

for 200 years.

"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail."
Gore Vidal

September 19th, 2013 at 7:54:18 PM
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What about the mathematical construct?

September 19th, 2013 at 7:56:23 PM
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Excellent!Quote:mathblockA method for betting roulette

To quote this website owner

"All betting systems are worthless.

However, for the mathematically challenged, here is a forum of your own."

seems incomplete

try this one

"...when measured by the ratio of expected loss to expected bet.

All betting systems are equal to flat betting when compared this way,

as they should be.

In other words, all betting systems are equally worthless."

mathblock, ignore those that laugh and snicker and make comments that have nothing to do with your betting system

and the questions you ask.

Just flag their posts

I too am the "mathematically challenged"

and 3 days of swimming has me still swimming.

I am with you on that.Quote:mathblockIf it is true that Red is as likely to win the next spin as Black,

or vice - versa ,

oh oh. math time?Quote:mathblockthen it is possible to derive an Edge using Maths.

I like Great Value (Walmart)Quote:mathblockFor best value...

Ok, got to get some sleep to look again at your postQuote:mathblockThe Maths ?

The dozen and column combined give an advantage of 20 / 37

but it depends on whether or not a red or black are equally likely to occur.

And the Maths geeks keep telling us that that is true - IN THE LONG RUN !

So you will win in the long run !

can you give a better example?

I am more than mathematically challenged right now

I like *sound*, but need it to be quiet to

absorb your post and betting method

winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)

September 19th, 2013 at 8:04:02 PM
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FYI, the original thread is posted at the gambling.co.uk forum, under the General Casino Forum.

I'll attempt a link: http://www.gambling.co.uk/forums/general-casino-forum/50501-method-betting-roulette.html

I'll attempt a link: http://www.gambling.co.uk/forums/general-casino-forum/50501-method-betting-roulette.html

"Scientists tell us that the fastest animal on earth, with a top speed of 120 feet per second, is a cow that has been dropped out of a helicopter."

September 19th, 2013 at 8:06:27 PM
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Let's walk through this:

Does each bet have a house edge?

Does adding negative numbers ever result in a smaller negative number?

How does this system help you win money over time?

It looks to me like you're arriving at a 20/37ths chance of winning on each spin and assuming that means you have an edge. This isn't the case. As an extreme example, if you win 1 unit 20/37ths of the time and lose 100 units 17/37ths of the time, you're pretty well screwed.

Does each bet have a house edge?

Does adding negative numbers ever result in a smaller negative number?

How does this system help you win money over time?

It looks to me like you're arriving at a 20/37ths chance of winning on each spin and assuming that means you have an edge. This isn't the case. As an extreme example, if you win 1 unit 20/37ths of the time and lose 100 units 17/37ths of the time, you're pretty well screwed.

"So as the clock ticked and the day passed, opportunity met preparation, and luck happened." - Maurice Clarett